This week on “Wait, Is it a night out together?” we’re joined by Autostraddle Chief Executive Officer and
L Keyword
specialist
Riese Bernard
to go over: The Chart. That’s right! This occurrence is about lesbian interconnectivity â setting up with friends’ exes, pals connecting with our exes, and culture produced by all of that drama.
Appear for any gossip, stay for your emotional control. And before that enjoy a game that examinations Christina’s boundaries: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she generally wouldn’t normally.)
Thank-you for the nice comments after all of our premier! When you yourself haven’t but consider providing us with a rating or examine!
PROGRAM RECORDS
+ Five years ago Riese assembled an
Old Hollywood data
that is the intersection of most my personal passions.
+ Discover
the essay
I reference in which I mention starting up using my roommates.
+ My personal crush associated with the few days Mj Rodriguez introduced a songs movie on her behalf tune
“something you should Say”
!
+ As somebody who has only seen a few episodes of
The Nanny
this montage
of Christina’s crush with the week C.C. Babcock ended up being surprising in my experience if it proved she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina tells me they essentially however are.)
Drew:
I’d be extremely okay with-it current. I might never include some other person without their unique permission. However the thought of anytime some one was actually like, “concur that you might be linked to me,” I would wind up as, “Yeah, it is the existence I’ve resided. Really don’t mind.” Is that strange? Is the fact that a challenge?
Christina:
No, because if I found myselfn’t, i might feel bad not-being. I would personally be like, “hold off, I am not sleeping?”
Theme track plays
Drew:
Hi, I’m Drew.
Christina:
Hi, I’m Christina.
Drew:
And thank you for visiting
Wait, Is This A Night Out Together?
Christina:
Hold Off, So Is This A Night Out Together?
is an Autostraddle podcast inquiring the big concerns. First, would it be a night out together? Preciselywhat are times? Who’re times? Can we like dates? They are the variety of concerns we address about right here extremely pro and beautiful podcast.
Drew:
My name is Drew Gregory. I’m an author at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, notoriously, a trans lesbian.
Christina:
I’m called Christina Tucker. I am additionally a writer at Autostraddle. I am a loud queer on the net. I will be improving at describing myself as an author and, famously, a lesbian. That’s you. That’s whom we have been.
Drew:
Yeah. Therefore all of our main topic this week is The Chart.
Christina:
I recently believed it required a sting. I’m not sure. That thought actually dramatic, but i believe it needed it.
Drew:
Yes. No, please, kindly, kindly. Thank you, thank-you. No, no, no. The suitable quantity of drama.
Christina:
Thank you so much.
Drew:
Yeah. Therefore we’re making reference to lesbian interconnectivity.
Christina:
I really like that phrase as it feels like you ought to resume the lesbians. It sounds just like the connection to the internet isn’t operating.
Drew:
Yes. It’s very higher level, really advanced, and has existed since there’s been lesbians, I think.
Christina:
Yeah. I do believe scholars would state whenever they discovered one lesbian fossils, they found a chart alongside of those carved in to the mud. And that I think’s exactly what that movie means, right? It’s about the information? That motion picture with Kate Winslet together with sand fossils?
Drew:
Ammonite?
Christina:
Yeah, that is what it is more about.
Drew:
If only
Ammonite
was about cavern females. I would see that lesbian motion picture.
Christina:
Well, when I have not viewed it, I’m going to bravely say that it had been. Cool.
Drew:
Yeah. Since it is like there is so many lesbian period parts, but we’ve never gone straight back that far. And I believe it’s the perfect time we carry out.
Christina:
Let us just hold having it furthermore back in its history.
Drew:
Before we get to the main subject, you are nonetheless observing all of us. And that I believed that it would be enjoyable to tackle a game in which you men could actually get acquainted with Christina. Therefore our very own icebreaker because of this few days is a little game that we call “Would U-Haul.”
Christina:
I’m, again, so pressured relating to this. This could you should be ways I come to the game. This could be my personal online game mentality, some high key, a little stressed. Which is ok. We’re all reading.
Drew:
I do believe that is great. I believe which will have you more susceptible, maybe.
Christina:
Among my personal favorite emotions.
Drew:
Simply a horror, simply a serious terror. Therefore, the manner in which “Would U-Haul” really works is actually i’ll describe a scenario. Let’s call it Christina fan fiction. And I also’m planning to pause after each little part to-be want, “Okay, Christina, I know you have never stayed with somebody, do not want to live with someone. But under these scenarios, would U-Haul?”
Christina:
And I will often state yes or we’ll say, “I’m ready.”
Drew:
If you don’t â well, we’ll see right here. But I’m excited. I think I possibly damaged the signal.
Christina:
You’ve cracked the code? I am excited.
Drew:
Let’s find out how very long this requires. Assuming there is a constant perform, i do believe you winnings? I’m not sure just how you will find winners right here.
Christina:
I am not sure there exists champions into the online game of U-Hauling.
Drew:
Well, I’m not sure should you’ll trust that after that. Thus I’m going to get going.
Christina:
Fair enough.
Drew:
Okay. Therefore, Christina.
Christina:
Drew.
Drew:
You’re at your friend’s wedding ceremony. In spite of the multitude of romcoms you’ve absorbed, you did not check-out this marriage thinking you would satisfy anyone because, really, this is not a romcom. This is the actual and normal lifetime of Christina Grace Tucker. You are taking the assigned chair and so are glancing at the phone as soon as you realize a woman at your table is wanting at you. She presents by herself since your pal’s former babysitter. She actually is remained a friend in the household, but she does not actually know anyone there. She appears like mid-forties and also a striking angular face. You set about chatting. She offers to enable you to get a glass or two. Once she stands up, you recognize she actually is six legs large, 6â² 3â³ in pumps. You know very well what? I’m simply going to stop there and be love, at this stage, would U-Haul?
Christina:
I’m captivated. I’m intrigued because i would get laid at the marriage. But yet I’m not U-Hauling everywhere.
Drew:
Cool. That is completely reasonable. Entirely reasonable. Okay. You spend the whole wedding learning one another. There’s merely an immediate spark and quick biochemistry. And yes, you do attach and sex is incredible.
Christina:
Tight.
Drew:
And so this marriage was a student in Northern Ca. Which means you both extend your own remains for a few days to shag and explore and eat at restaurants and screw. Therefore supply to divide the cost of the now joint place, but she laughs you down and is also want, “demonstrably perhaps not, honey.” So that the next three days tend to be miracle. You are feeling the wall space tumbling straight down. You are falling quicker than you previously have actually. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
Therefore simply for clarity’s sake, i am having a difficult time picturing a world in which we took three surprise days off try to hang out with someone I do maybe not know. That seems bonkers. But if i did so, good-for myself. But I’m simply not U-Hauling at this time. It will likely be a no.
Drew:
Great. Okay. That is okay. You just found. I get it. I have it. Okay.
Christina:
Many thanks a great deal.
Drew:
So she comes back to nyc and you also return to Philadelphia.
Christina:
That is where I reside.
Drew:
And you are texting constantly. That is where you are living as well as being where this girl resides. And you are texting all the time and you also see one another multiple times monthly. She actually is very hectic together with her job, but she actually is fast to purchase you a train admission in order to appear see this lady and stay at the woman gorgeous brownstone in Fort Greene. After which 6 months pass. And another evening if you are over to dinner, she asks that move in together. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
And relocate to New York? I do not really like New York. No, I’m not transferring in the 6 months mark. I am not undertaking that, no.
Drew:
Okay, okay. Entirely, totally, entirely. Wow. Okay. So you keep matchmaking long-distance. She knows that you need some time and she’s prepared to loose time waiting for you. Even more several months move. It’s now already been over a year. The landlord tells you they are offering your house to a developer that is investing in condos, and that means you are unable to renew it. You need to get a hold of a destination. Your own now gf lets you know that no force, but her provide nevertheless appears. Would U-Haul?
Christina:
Okay. At this time, i’d U-Haul for a few factors.
Drew:
Yay! Fine. Please tell us.
Christina:
Mostly, in some sort of in which my personal property manager ended up selling my house in order to develop it, my personal property manager is now my personal best friend, with the intention that seems like something went incorrect in our relationship. And that I may want to simply leave Philadelphia anyhow. Incase I get to move in using my girl over here, that appears okay. That’s great. Completely good. But yeah, In my opinion i would require an external force like a mean property owner.
Drew:
That’s thus â okay. I did so believe that you’d need to need construction in order to get there, so I’m grateful I knew that.
Christina:
Yeah. That is precisely what needs to eventually me personally initially.
Drew:
Really, i am grateful to understand what it’s going to take. So in theory, if you weren’t kicked out, how much cash additional time?
Christina:
Honestly, might went on for a long period. Philly and New York commonly actually that not even close to both. I obtained area over here. We’re jumping back-and-forth. We are having memories. I possibly could have try to let that roll for some time until i assume Shoshana becomes the worst person i understand.
Drew:
I did not know Shoshana owned your house. Really, there you are going.
Christina:
There we go. Wow, which was thrilling.
Drew:
Well, thank you for playing.
Christina:
I’m stressed, are clear.
Drew:
And I also’m grateful that i am aware⦠possibly if you are actually ever, therefore if anybody’s ever online dating you and desires one relocate, possibly your sweetheart told Shoshana to offer the home in the interests of your own commitment.
Christina:
Truthfully the fastest means â somebody would just have to talk to Shoshana and become love, “simply kick this lady completely.” Then she’d resemble, “Yeah, certain. Of course.” That would be the way it happened, in the event she didn’t sell our home. Someone would just be like, “are you able to simply kick the girl away so she will just overcome it and relocate with me?” And she would state yes. Double she would do this. That’s what relationship is actually.
Drew:
I really like that.
Christina:
Yeah, that is truly stunning.
Drew:
Well, I feel like we learned alot about you.
Christina:
Thank You. I feel like I discovered a great deal about my self, also. Risk of homelessness is really the matter that keeps myself transferring any circumstance, i assume. Wow.
Drew:
Well, which is great.
Christina:
That has been truly thrilling. I am just as excited to move into our main section because In my opinion speaing frankly about lesbian connectivity with this guest, with this specific special visitor, i believe it will likely be remarkable, Drew. Just how are you experiencing?
Drew:
I am therefore thrilled. It is an expert. By that, after all an
L Keyword
expert, but a small amount of a professional during the topic at hand.
Christina:
I believe a couple of things is generally genuine, my pal. I think two things may be true without a doubt. Can we wish to present all of our visitor or do we wish our very own visitor introducing on their own?
Drew:
I’d love all of our guest introducing herself.
Christina:
Guest.
Drew:
I will point out that our visitor could be the only Riese Bernard.
Christina:
Guest, speak.
Riese:
Hi, I’m Riese. And it’s really unusual become the guest!
Christina:
Yeah, its.
Riese:
I had never to say such a thing. I didn’t actually do it. Used to do state things. I’d to sit right here silently.
Christina:
While were truly fearless. Plus faces were appreciated.
Riese:
Thanks really.
Christina:
Though this is exactly certainly a sound method, I want all of our listeners to understand that Riese was actually generating some very nice reaction confronts during “Would U-Haul.”
Riese:
There’s various ways become heard. Do you know what I mean? That is what i usually state. I am the CEO of Autostraddle.com. And I’m in addition on an undefeated kickball team. And that’s me. We have your dog known as Carol. And I have actually outdated individuals.
Christina:
Congrats on the kickball!
Riese:
Many thanks. I have been a part of men and women.
Christina:
Great. Adoring that. That’s great to bring for this, this right here internet dating podcast. That’s good.
Riese:
Yeah. I do believe that⦠will there be other things?
Drew:
No, i do believe that’s fantastic, Riese.
Christina:
Whatever you decide and should discuss.
Riese:
I really like raspberries, the fresh fruit raspberries, and pools.
Christina:
As opposed toâ¦
Riese:
You Are Sure That when someone goes likeâ¦
Drew:
It’s like when you blow. Yeah.
Christina:
Oh. Those tend to be terrible, so I simply just evacuated all of them from my mind.
Riese:
Yeah. And that is all.
Christina:
Great.
Drew:
Really, I instantly looked at you with this subject.
Christina:
That is correct.
Drew:
Because to begin with, obviously, queer women and non-binary people in lesbian area happen like, I don’t know, sex with people who their friends have acquired gender with since a long time before
The L Word
was ever a sequence. But i actually do feel just like
The L Word
solidified a specific cultural thought of the data with Alice Pieszecki. Therefore I decided you would have a lot of insight into this topic.
Riese:
It really is genuine. A couple of writers, I would like to say, of
The L Keyword
had this genuine data of them in addition to their friends these were attracting from the wall surface or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, I think, had been one among these. She spoke to us about it, that they had created this. Because demonstrably, everybody for the reason that writer’s space had banged other individuals inside the journalist â you understand, as well as the extended web of this generation of lesbians in la. And so they noticed that and these people were like, “Let’s put it inside tv show.” Many of them take the information. Like, some of the people whom ⦠like, genuine individuals are on the data as a joke.
Christina:
That’s wonderful. That’s the manner in which you know you’ve made it.
Riese:
Isn’t really that lovely?
Christina:
That would be exciting personally.
Riese:
And thus for those who haven’t viewed
The L Keyword,
first and foremost, congrats. Second, it will become the centerpiece of 1 of our own direct fictional character, Alice’s, apartment. She’s got all of it over the woman wall. And in addition it may be the name of an online site that they started labeled as ourchart.com that flopped. Additionally the concept ⦠And it’s within the pilot, i do believe. In very first event, Alice starts making reference to exactly how everyone’s connected, because everybody’s connected because of this person. And I can hook up you, like you’re probably no more than two degrees from the me personally. And that was correct. Like, even with Dana, who had very restricted experience because she was a closeted playing tennis player, they still could link the lady. And that is actual life since it is correct.
Christina:
That is society. Yeah. That’s what culture appears to be.
Riese:
That’s culture. That’s queer culture there. And now everybody tends to make unique charts.
Christina:
Yeah. To make sure that would definitely be my then question, was have actually either people made a chart? Because I don’t consider i’ve, I am also variety of now thinking like, that which was this just last year seated inside my residence for if I didn’t generate a chart? Like, that which was the point of that, really?
Riese:
In my opinion I’ve accomplished it in my log, in the same way like ⦠Because i love, I don’t know, planning info, I guess, as a thought physical exercise.
Christina:
Yeah, In my opinion which is also the reason why i will be surprised that We haven’t accomplished it. I really like the idea of categorizing circumstances.
Riese:
Correct. Yeah. Since it is fascinating. I am not sure precisely why it really is so interesting, however it is. It’s fascinating are similar, wow, all these folks, they’re linked. It is wild.
Drew:
In the show, when ourchart.com is actually conceived, they’ve an actual data that individuals can add stuff. And that I feel something you joked when it comes to on
To L and Back,
and now people state everyday is a lot like, when this existed in a proper method, no body would place their names about it, not one person would feel safe getting their particular names onto it.
Riese:
You’d.
Drew:
I would personally. I would be very great with it existing. I would personally never add another person without their particular authorization. Nevertheless idea of similar, anytime some one was like, “concur that you might be attached to me personally,” I’d wind up as, “Yeah, it is the existence i have lived. I don’t care about.” Is odd? Is difficulty?
Christina:
No, as if I becamen’t, I would feel poor not ⦠I would personally resemble, “Wait, I’m not about it? Like, i am sorry, just what?” No, that will actually deliver me personally into a light moral panic about exactly who i will be as people, the thing I’m performing. Am I interesting? Perform men and women {like
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